[This is adapted from "Talking Money," coming soon from The Freelancery.]
Here’s a pricing technique that sounds, at first, like the dumbest newbie move of all time.
Call it ‘fill-in-the-blank’ invoicing. Or ‘pay what you want’ pricing.
The notion is, you do the work first, then let the client decide how much to pay for it.
I know, that sounds like a sure way to end up working for nickels and peanuts. I once thought that way, too.
But it’s actually an ingenious tactic that should be in every freelancer’s arsenal, ready to wheel out when the wind is right. (Notice I said when the wind is right. We’ll come back to that.)
It goes like this.
Instead of quoting a fee or negotiating a price in advance, you tell the client:
“Here’s what I suggest. Let me jump in and do the work as we discussed. I’ll hit this as hard as I know how, and make it as good as can be done.”
“When we’re finished, just pay whatever you feel the work was worth, based on what it contributed to your overall project.”
“I’ll accept whatever you decide, no questions asked. Provided it is more than a buck sixty-five.”
Scary? Absolutely.
Risky? Maybe a little.
Foolhardy and stupid? Not at all.
I had dabbled with this tactic before, but only on those small, oddball projects a client would send me now and then.
“I have no idea what to bill for this,” I’d say. “Just send me whatever seems right to you.” Sometimes they would send a hundred or two more than I anticipated, sometimes less. But it was always intriguing to see how the client perceived what I had done. And a little humbling, too, on occasion.
But over the past year or so I finally got the guts to try this on large projects for big clients. (Partly because, while developing “Talking Money,” I was thinking/obsessing about pricing issues pretty much all day long. I was itching to see how this worked.)
I can tell you this: the ‘pay what you want’ idea can be suprisingly and dumbfoundingly profitable.
Better still, I can guarantee you that it will shake up your thinking about fees and pricing. It will un-stick some old notions. And heaven knows we need that; most of us are way too myopic, constipated and chickenshit about fees.
As an added bonus, you will most likely do the best work of your life, and deliver obscenely wonderful service to your clients at the same time. (Mainly because you’ll be too scared not to.)
Making it pay. More.
Naturally, the sole reason for using fill-in-the-blank invoicing is to net more from a project than you could with “traditional” pricing.
The idea is to get paid for the value the client derives from the work, rather than for the number of hours it took. Or how hard it was. Or how many shots you had to take. Or what somebody else charged some other client somewhere.
And by value, I don’t mean only hard economic value, like sales or savings or new business. (Which in most cases is hard to quantify anyway.)
As I’ve discovered, clients are also willing to pay lavishly to get a nosebleed project done and off the desk, to look like geniuses in front of their bosses, to have presentations that their sales people rave about. To finally get the bosses sold on videos for user training. To untangle a project that somebody else screwed up.
That kind of value has no relation to how long it took you to do the job. It’s irrelevant, immaterial. And it is difficult to guess what that value might be from our side of the glass. So it can pay to let the client set that value.
Example.
A client of mine was knee-deep in redoing all her company’s web site content. She was getting raw material from the various divisions that was ugly, undeciperhable and unusable. The go-live date was looming. She called me in to figure out how to fix it all.
But she had no idea how many sections we’d be doing, how many pages, nor how bad the raw material would be, so it was impossble to estimate any sort of fee.
I said, “Let me just concentrate on getting this done for you, and we’ll settle up later. I trust you to be fair.” She agreed.
I did the work as it came in over a couple of weeks, revising, re-writing, re-building the content. We came up with a neat and tight format, a solid voice, sharp messaging. Everybody loved it.
I then told the client to let me know what she felt was a reasonable fee for the project. It was entirely her call.
Meanwhile, I went back and parsed out the work based purely on hours spent. Had I been pricing conventionally, it would have come to 3800 to 4200 bucks, depending on how I counted.
Next day, I get an email from the client. She says “I’m thinking $9,500. How does that sound?”
I wrote her back and said “Fine. Sold.”
Now, lest you think I’m just handing you rosy stories, here’s another.
A designer friend is working on a web site for a financial firm, two partners. He refers them to me for the writing. We have a few phone conversations. Seems simple enough. Not a ton of content, straightforward mission. The clients don’t know much about marketing or web stuff.
I say, “Tell you what. I’ll write everything for you, and when you’re happy with it, send me a check for what you think is reasonable.”
Ordinarily, I would have quoted about $2500 for the project, although I don’t say that.
I do some drafts. There are some comments, some revisions. Slam dunk. Site goes live. Time to settle up. And I’m thinking the Wall Street guys are seeing a fee with a lot of zeros.
They send a check for $1200. And say, ‘Thanks for the great work.”
Ouch and a half.
What works, what doesn’t
After a few painful scorchings, and several delightfully lucrative wins, here is the bottom line.
This technique works only when:
- You have a long-term relationship with the client. You’ve done work for them before, at your usual rates. They trust you. They know your work. And mostly likely they need to work with you again.
Don’t try this with one-time clients, clients who don’t use this work often, or clients who didn’t seek you out. Been there, done that, lost shirt.
- The client has a big personal stake in the project. They have skin in the game. They stand to look grand if all goes well, score some points, be a hero, win some kudos. This does not work for low-level back-burner projects that no one cares about. (Like my Wall Street clients; to them, their website was just some bullshit thing they needed to have. They didn’t perceive it as critical.)
- The project looks hard, impossible, indecipherable. (My Wall Street clients thought it was a cinch to bang out a few pages of drivel, and therefore paid accordingly. My technology client tried untangling her web content herself, and got scared. To her, it seemed unsurmountable.)
How do clients react? Do clients like this idea?
A few will balk. They don’t want the responsibility of figuring out a fee. They don’t want the anguish. That’s okay. Give them a quote.
Most will be astonished that you offer the option. It shows you trust them. That you value their judgment. That you even thought to ask. Huge karma points translate to more dollars.
Sometimes (as one client confessed to me) they’ll reflexively crank up the fee when filling in the blank.
Sort of like the way we reflexively and fearfully crank down the price when the client says ‘How much will it cost?”
—
Just so you know I’m not the only crackpot using this idea, Matt Homann of LexThink, a consultant who works with law firms, offers this ‘you decide’ option to all of his clients. His experience with the technique mirrors mine exactly. There’s more about his approach here too, in The Non-Billable Hour. (It’s for lawyers, but the ideas apply to us, I think.)
Oh, and see the classic Little Rascals episode from 1936, “Pay as You Exit.” As the story goes, the gang was putting on a show in the barn, but the neighborhood kids were reluctant to pay the penny admission, fearing that the show might be lame.
Over Spanky’s objections, Alfalfa decided to let everyone in for free, and allow them to pay on the way out if they liked the show.
As it turned out, the gang botched the show horribly, but the result was so hilarious that the kids filed out laughing.
Leaving Alfalfa with cigar box full of pennies.
For a clear deliverable, a price makes sense. For consulting and advice with no clear deliverable then your method could work (and maybe, bring out a deliverable for which one can price in addition to repeat business).
hmmhm.. .
got balls
Wow, this is a pretty innovative idea that you’ve managed to backup nicely. I completely agree it would only work with long-term clients who trust you and your capabilities. The fly-by-nights will take the work and drop you fraction of the payment you actually want.
I might try this myself at some point. I don’t have the balls to try it on a large-scale project though because I just can’t risk working a month for a pitiful fee – and one that cannot be argued because of the situation you put yourself in.
Still, very interesting read.
Very interesting, I like it. I’m wondering if this could be paired with some price anchoring http://www.mint.com/blog/how-to/price-anchoring/
Maybe do some anchoring for the clients you suggest not doing this with or naming and shaming people who try and rip you off. Or just publishing a total list of what everyone paid on a webpage?
Good thoughts. Anchoring definitely works. The other things, hmm.
Great article. My thoughts exactly.
One of ‘my’ writers send me a link to this post. Copytaria (click my name above) is a Dutch website where clients can hire a writer on a pay-what-you-want-basis. I have 125 writers willing to work this way. But hardly any clients. They think it is scary.
By the way, the site has a ranking system for writers and clients alike. The idea being that after a while, clients that pay peanuts will get stuck with the monkeys. And that the more expensive writers will only accept work from clients with a ‘pays well’ ranking.
I’ve been doing that for years on small to mid sized jobs
“just pay whatever you feel the work was worth”
often get more than I would have charged.. in fact always do now that I think about it, sometimes even have to knock them down!
The risk here is when you take twice what you charge – is what you are really doing is taking advantage of an ill-informed client or have your historical billings just been too low?
You also risk damaging a long term client relationship
The Solopreneur Life “Friday Bits” Column #2 « The Solopreneur Life
[...] Is the Scariest Pricing Idea Ever Walt Kania of The Freelancery wrote a column this week titled, “The Scariest Pricing Idea Ever. That Works.” When I finished reading the piece, I found myself saying out loud: “Wow. Wow. Wow.” If [...]
Weekly round-up | Bluewire Media Web Design Blog
[...] The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. — The Freelancery [...]
I really cant believe this works. Clients in my experience are generally the tightest people known to man. Either, they want the best thing they can possible get for the least possible price. Or, they are an account manager at some large firm, who are looking to save money from the budget so they can take themselves out to a posh restaurant for doing such a great job on the project. I can honestly say that this would not have worked with ANY of the clients i have had over the last 10 years. I would be broke, truly believe that my work was worth 1/10th of the value i could get working by the hour through an employment agency (which is half of what i actually get paid right now).
You’re right, this would NOT work in an adversarial, wary client relationship — where both parties figure the other is only out to squeeze them dry.
In my experience, which could be wrong, contentious relationships aren’t all that profitable, either.
Pricing and be part of history | The blog for Advanced Photography Students
[...] http://thefreelancery.com/2010/04/the-scariest-pricing-idea-ever-that-works/ [...]
The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. | The Freelancery « MediaEngineer's Blog
[...] The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. | The Freelancery. « Is Facebook the [...]
tried this, but some clients want to know hours spent, since some of them think its just pictures and type put together.
I’m only a beginner in web design, but I made a site for a friend and said I’d just do it for cost (domain and hosting) and for the experience.
When I’d finished I said the costs were around £60, but if you like the site and want to pay me any more, then great. They sent me a cheque for £150. Nice.
Excelent method…
worth to try it, in the mentioned circumstances..
Do you really write for a living? I see “undecipherable” and the correct “indecipherable”
This definitely won’t work for me. I’m from The Netherlands. Do you know Dutch business people? It’s a hard world. If I let the clients decide how much they pay I get €10 euro’s for my services. That’s not much, that’s peanuts.
If you pay peanuts you get monkeys.
Hi, Jens, I’m Dutch as well. And it does work for me. You are looking at the problem from the wrong angle. The expression in this case is: “If you work like a monkey, you get peanuts.”
If you trust your quality, and you trust your clients, you could just give it a try. If indeed they pay you peanuts everu time, talk to the clients and ask them if it was really worth that little. And what you should do to improve your added value. This way, the least you will get out of it is a free but valuable lesson.
Well said. Well said.
ahaaa!
great article. I’ve found myself doing that a lot of times, even on big projects. I basicly do it everytime a project really excites me and i feel i can take it further than what the client works. I also use it as a reason to unleash creative ideas to more experimental, innovative and artistic level, just for the thrill of it!
I also manage to win back a lot of clients with that!
Definitely a good arrow to have in the quiver!
in an ideal world…
I see how this can be really scary, but this can somehow balance things out. There are designers who charge a lot because of something they did in the past and sometimes the present work is not all that good. On the other hand, there are designers who have good work and are do no earn what they should. But what happens when we fail to instruct clients and they have no idea? Or the previous designer they worked with had low wages?
I have used this method before, I crashed and burned. Maybe i did not use it on the right client.
Great post, it has tempted me to try it again and see what happens. (This time with the right client)
I actually used this idea once on something: Rebuilding a mailbox stand used by myself and a couple of my neighbors. The communal property was literally rotted to the core and falling over.
I let the other two neighbors know I was going to redesign it and have it rebuilt and rather than paying 1/3 they should just reimburse me “what they considered the value was to them.”
Since it was worth 100% of what I paid, I got my money’s worth. But apparently it was worth $0 to each of my neighbors.
(I’ve also applied this on design projects, telling clients I’d accept whatever they decided what I was doing was worth to them – as long as it was greater than the fixed costs involved – and was OK with that. So, it can work.)
Just did so last Thursday, the customer called in several hours later saying:
“Our management did not know how to ‘eat’ this proposal. They say they cannot accept this kind of a price quote owe to the organization’s policy. can you tell me at least how many hours that will took?” and so on.
Well good for you for trying. Sometimes, companies are only comfortable buying by the kilo, by the day, or by the meter. Or by a guote. It suggests they have no idea what they are buying. They are guessing as much as you are.
Love this concept! Pricing is the hardest part of my business and not all clients are equal. It’s hard to charge a solo-preneur who is just starting out the same as a big corporation even if the work takes the same time and is of the same caliber.
If someone is spending their own money I tend to charge less than if they work for a big corp, but I know I’ve missed out on some big corp payouts by pricing too low also.
I think I’ll test this pay-what-you-want pricing out on a client, who I’ve worked for before and who can afford to pay top tier rates, just to see what happens.
My only concern is, if it stresses me out to come up with an estimate and value for my work it could really stress out the client to do the same. Would they hire me again?
Just because you offer this option to a client once, there’s no obligation to do it every time. You may find it makes price discussions in the future a little easier, a little more collaborative than before. Try it. And let us know how it goes.
Me and a few others are running bike taxis and we also sometimes tell people pay what you want, sometimes because the trip is short other times just for the hell of it.
Usually especially the drunk people will give a lot more (although they usually tip pretty good too when you give them a quote)
The people who just hops on without asking for a price first are usually the most generous.
Many people do the pricing this way in my country. For example the gardener mows the grass and does not give a price, says “give whatever you like”, and it is not so easy to give little because it would be disrespectful to his hardwork. However, I cannot see how this would be applicable in western countries.
Read52 | Critical Zero
[...] The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. [...]
pricing idea for freelancers — cafedave.net
[...] The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. [...]
This is a really interesting concept. I’m big on experimenting with stuff like this so I’ll definitely try it out when the situation seems right.
I’ve seen this model used before in online products and workshops with the same kind of success; sometimes it’s peanuts and sometimes it’s a windfall. It usually balances out.
The most important lesson here is trying new methods and models. It’s your business, you get to decide how it works.
Fortune favors the bold.
Name-Your-Price Freelancing : LU Graphics
[...] The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. Tell the Interwebs: [...]
I tried this with two people. Both wanted company logos. One a family member, the other a reliable client. One paid 1/20th of what I normally charge, the other paid 4 times what I normally charge. Gotta be smart with who you try it on.
Tweets that mention The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. | The Freelancery -- Topsy.com
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Ass kicker. Ass kicker said: The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. | The Freelancery http://bit.ly/ce6lqH [...]
The pay what you want pricing scheme | New Media Fallout
[...] scary thing is, this makes sense.The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. | The Freelancery I can tell you this: the ‘pay what you want’ idea can be suprisingly anddumbfoundingly [...]
Hand-picked bits of epicness for May 7th through May 11th | Polle de Maagt
[...] The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. (Pay whatever you want) – [...]
Wow, this is indeed very scary, I must give it a try
Great read and interesting concept. Scary and quite risky but again great concept if utilized with the right clients.
Por la red… | soy un zote
[...] The scariest pricing idea ever. That works. | The Freelancery Propuesta de forma de poner precio a tus trabajos como freelance Etiquetas: freelance consejos trabajo [...]
I’m going to try this on my next 10 projects. I’ll report here on how it turns out.
Btw, I like your domain name. Laser sharp. The articles, too!
Thank you.
I just read this article in “Hacker Monthly,” and initially the idea scared me. Not set pricing? Insane! Then I started thinking about my oldest client, who has been with me since 2003. I have never sent her a bill and never will. I host and maintain her website, and I never report hours. She sends me checks when she feels like it, and it’s always more than what I would have billed hourly.
You’re so right – this can be a wonderful approach for long-term clients.